Born Wrongborg

Posted by Graham Thompson - 15 April 2013 at 4:59pm - Comments
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Cross my palm with silver...

Bjorn Lomborg, the man who used to be the world’s most well-known climate sceptic, has resurfaced in the Wall Street Journal and Channel 4 with a new way to be wrong on climate change.  
 
I must admit being somewhat jealous of Bjorn Lomborg. Here’s a man who has managed to create not just a successful career, but something of a global media empire, off the back of nothing more than being consistently and publically wrong. Not consistently wrong in the sense of having defended a consistent position which is wrong, but in the sense of holding a wide variety of different positions which have all been consistently wrong.
 
I, on the other hand, have devoted my entire life to being right. Where is my global media empire? You’re looking at it. Where is the justice? Still looking for it.
 
Anyway, we’ve just entered the neolombic era, where the key message is -
 
We shouldn’t try to cut emissions, because the technology isn’t ready.

 
This succeeds the hopelessly outdated mesolombic position –

We shouldn’t try to cut emissions, because the money is needed elsewhere.
 
Which itself succeeded the paleolombic position –

We shouldn’t try to cut emissions, because climate change isn’t a big deal.
 
Which supplanted the short-lived and little-remembered proto-lombic position –

We shouldn’t try to cut emissions, because climate change probably isn’t happening.
 
So Lomborg is following the climate denial trend and being wrong about clean technology, its costs and benefits. He’s still wrong on climate science too, and his climate finance figures are five times higher than official figures, and about three times higher than the figures from what Lomborg himself describes as ‘the best-regarded economic models’, but no-one has time to read a comprehensive list of all his mistakes, so let’s focus on the tech stuff.

There are two main reasons why he’s wrong. Firstly, he’s chosen the wrong date to launch this latest mistake. By quite a margin, in fact. If he’d tried this mistake ten years ago, it might have sounded plausible, but to claim now that our clean energy technologies aren’t up to the job, and we need to draw back from installation and return to the drawing board until renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels is somewhat undermined by renewables already being cheaper than fossil fuels.

Solar power became cheaper than diesel in India over a year ago and the price of solar panels is expected to continue to plummet. Meanwhile in Brazil, the gas industry is asking for state protection as it is unable to compete with wind power, and renewable energy is cheaper than electricity from either gas or coal in Australia.
 
And it’s getting to a competitive scale – in Portugal 70% of their electricity has been generated from renewables so far this year.

And this is all working according to blinkered, short-term, profit-driven traditional economics. If you include the damage done to our climate in your balance sheet, then renewables have been cheaper than fossil fuels for a very long time indeed.

Of course, renewables have yet to achieve full-spectrum global dominance, but the point is that the advances mentioned above weren’t all made in the lab, but in factories, on construction sites, and in the global markets. It’s the widespread installation of renewable energy which is driving the cost reductions. If renewables were to retreat from the market to focus on R&D, at a time when they are out-competing and replacing fossil fuels at an accelerating rate, which sector would that really benefit?

But this is a minor error compared to Lomborg’s latest biggy. As an economist, this one’s particularly embarrassing, as he’s failed to understand how western capitalist economies work. Not just that demand spurs innovation, or that economies of scale reduce costs, but a much more basic error. The markets do not necessarily go for the most efficient option, unless someone with significant wealth and power decides they can use that option to increase that wealth and power. If there is consensus amongst the elite that they’re quite happy with the way things are going using the current, less efficient option, then that’s the way we’ll carry on doing things. Our economic system is efficient in the sense that it’s good at turning millionaires into multi-millionaires, and multi-millionaires into billionaires, but its ability to externalise costs and remove them from the corporate balance sheet make it rubbish when it comes to maximinsing cost efficiency for society in general, and it has a negative impact, that is, minimises efficiency, when it comes to resource use. Trusting the market to invent and promote the right energy technologies is no more sensible than trusting the market to invent and promote the right financial instruments. They’re not condemned to certain failure, but there’s certainly no guarantee of success.
 
To quote ex-energy minister Lord Hutton in Saturday’s Telegraph – “Left to its own devices, the market would not choose to invest in capital intensive low carbon infrastructure. This would lead us to a precarious, high carbon future increasingly dependent on imported gas.”

And he should know. Lord Hutton is a lobbyist for the nuclear industry, which has never managed to build a power station anywhere in the world without public subsidy, and doesn’t look likely to. Yet the world still has hundreds of operating reactors, and our government wants to subsidise a few more.

It’s funny how Lomborg’s various plans, plots and schemes vary in their premises, analysis and focus as each one gets overwhelmed by reality, but they’re actually all entirely consistent with each other in two ways – they’re all wrong, and they all imply that we should burn more fossil fuels.
 
Perhaps that’s his secret – to be a globally celebrated climate pundit it’s not enough just to be loudly and repeatedly wrong on the issues, you need to be wrong in a way which promotes our increasing dependence on imported gas. You need to be wrong in the right way.



Your petulant shouting of 'he's wrong, wrong, wrong!' Isn't really an argument and just highlights your own desparation and confusion.

Renewables aren't as economic as shale gas.

So get cracking with the fracking.

 

Definately get some wingnuts making comments on here, not only are the comments stupid they are wrong as well, probably Lomborg trolls.

I went to the news clip and Lomborg's article to see exactly what he did say and can see nothing wrong with any of his comments. He clearly acknowledges there has been some warming as a result of additional CO2.

However, if he is wrong and you are right that renewables can now compete with fossil fuels on cost then presumably you are quite happy for ALL subsidies to be removed from renewables (that would include subsidies for nuclear).

I'm pleased Greenpeace has finally reached this position in the debate, I'm sure MP's will be taking note.

Sounds like he could be one of the first candidates to be charged for climate crimes against humanity

@Edenfisher

You have to admire their dedication. Defending someone who claims 2+2=5 is one thing, defending someone who says 2+2= 5,6,7 or 8 depending on when you ask him - that takes real loyalty.

@John B

I presume you're already aware that fossil fuels get many times more in subsidies than renewables or nuclear? According to the IMF, 8% of total global government revenues are spent on fossil fuel subsidies - http://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2013/012813.pdf

I assume you are deliberately being misleading Mr Thompson, but I will explain it to you anyway to enhance your understanding. The IMF report you link to relates to TOTAL subsidy paid NOT subsidy per unit of power which is very different. If you don't know the difference then I suggest you need to go back to school, but just in case you are in any doubt I am suggesting that all subsidy should be removed whatever fuel type.

 

@John B

I do beg your pardon, when I wrote 'According to the IMF, 8% of total global government revenues are spent on fossil fuel subsidies' I forgot to put 'total' in capitals. Let me try that again.

According to the IMF, 8% of TOTAL global government revenues are spent on fossil fuel subsidies.

Is that better?

@John B

Whether or not the technology is there for renewables we have to phase out fossil fuels as it is an enviromental disaster. We have a much bigger impact on the planet than most of us like to believe and the thing is that we can now physically see this. In 1990m there was a pledge to lower the rate of increase in greenhouse gas (GHGs) emissions, reaching our peak emission rate in 2015. Now since then we have also seen a decrease in the rate of heating. This shows to me that humanity has a very strong impact on the enviroment.

@ Graham Thompson

Whether you like it or not the technology for renewables is not there yet. For me aslong as we cannot exceed the Betz limit we never will. Hydro has almost been fully exploited in Europe and Tidal and Wave are only suitable in a few locations. Therefor that only leaves wind power. I did enjoy your carefully worded view on the susbsides for renewables. Choosing the term "government money" was very wise. However the vast majority of subsidies for renewable power comes from Feed In Tariffs(EU) and Renewable Obligation Certificates(UK only). These schemes get their money by essentially taxing nuclear power and fossil fuels. These schemes require developers to produce a certain amount of their power from renewable sources and if they do not meet it then they are fined. This is so profitable infact that a developer of renewable energy can add aound 20% to their profits. Also when talking about funding it has to be in units of £/kWh, you cannot just use a lump sum as it is irrelevent when talking about the economics of energy.

 

The only real solution is nuclear power as it is low carbon and per unit of power it is one of the cheapest energy sources, if anyone mentions the cost in Nuclear as a lump sum rather than £/kWh then please be aware that I am laughing at you. I do realise that being pro nuclear on Greenpeace is rather like being anti guns in Texas.

@Ali Shaw

The nuclear industry are currently asking for more money per kWh than even offshore wind, and a lot more than onshore. It is one of the most expensive energy sources, despite the enormous amount of subsidies it has received over the last century.

Here's a story on that published a few hours ago -

http://www.utilityweek.co.uk/news/news_story.asp?id=198434&title=EDF+Ene...

Incidentally, the reason the government is going for £80 is because offshore wind can do £85 - 15% cheaper than nuclear, and they only want a 15 year guarantee, while nuclear is asking for 40 years.

You've been spun, I'm afraid. If the economics of nuclear were as you claim, then someone somewhere would have managed to build a reactor without subsidy, but it's never been done.

 

@Graham Thompson

The EDF project is to recoup their investment before lowering the price ot market level. There are many ways to which EDF could secure their investment but a conservative government will always seek to put it on the poorer people on society. Hense the fixed price.

The ranges for wind and nuclear per kWh are pretty much the same but wind is not practical. There are several reasons for this, intermittent suppy, the grid and the Betz limit. The betz limit for wind turbines is 59.6% efficient. The most practical wind turbines at best can operate at 80% of the betz limit and lets not forget the capacity factor which is 40% for offshore and 25% for onshore. So for an overall efficiency we are looking of 19.1% for offshore and 11.9% for onshore. A nuclear plant doesnt have to worry about the betz limit and its capacity factor is 90.3%.

A wind farm wants a 15 year guarentee for a 25 year life span, which is the longest that the latest technology can last. So a guarentee for 60% of its life. 

A nuclear power plant wants a 40 year guarentee for a project that could potentially last 100 years, as it is believed the latest plants can. So a guarentee for 40% of its life.

The economics are as I say and the issue is upfront cost here. Nuclear plants are incredibly expensive to build but it will be producing huge quantities of energy for upto 100 years. Thats why its so cheap per kWh and it is practical.

Renewables have a role to play but it is not as the dominent energy supplier of energy.

I have not been spun. I am an Engineer qualified to BEng levels and about to be qualified to Masters level. I have spent a lot of time studying the Engineering aspects of both sides, I am not taking the viewpoint of the media. I am saying what the reality of the situation is, based on academic research and my own calculations.

@Ali Shaw

'so cheap per kWh'?

You may have a hundred reasons why you think it should be cheap, but the fact is EDF are asking for £100/kWh. Guaranteed for 40 years.

Are you saying that £100/kWh is cheap?

@ Graham Thompsom

I'm afraid you're wrong by a factor of 1000!    EDF are asking for £100 per MWh not kWh.  Don't you actually read the contents of the articles that you link to?

@Graham Thompson

Its fixed per MWh not per kWh so you are out by a factor of a thousand. They are asking for 1pp per kWh. Yes thats pretty cheap.

Sorry mistype 10 p per kWh

@ Greame Thompson

It looks to me as if Ali Shaw and Chris Phillips have saved me the bother of correcting you again. Like the gentleman said "do you never read the articles you comment on".

I wouldn't get too excited about the subsidy EDF are asking for. Like everyone entering a negotiation they pitch high and will settle for less, particularly when Hitachi are waiting in the wings, and in any case we don't have to agree when shale gas will be available much sooner than a nuclear station could be built.

Renewables (with the possible exception of some tidal) are not an option for baseload supply even if they could compete on cost.

Looks as if comonsense is taking over from green nonsensense.

Germany’s
dash for coal continues apace. Following on the opening of two new coal power
stations in 2012, six more are due to open this year, with a combined capacity
of 5800MW, enough to provide 7% of Germany’s electricity needs.

 

I do beg your pardon.

To clarify :

EDF want £100/MWh for Hinkley C, guaranteed for 40 years.

The government's initial offer was £80/MWh.

Offshore wind clam they can deliver at £85/MWh by 2020, and want a 15 year guarantee.

Onshore wind is currently £90/MWh.

So can someone explain to me again why £100/MWh is cheap?

Offshore wind may claim that they can achieve £85/MWh by 2020 but unfortunately few people actually believe them, see Carbon Brief article below .  It looks very unlikely that offshore wind would ever fall below £100/MWh and given that its an intermittent unreliable source why would you prefer that over nuclear?

 

 

Offshore wind costs - going down?   

Let's examine DECC's assumption first. Generating electricity from offshore wind is expensive because it requires constructing and maintaining complicated pieces of kit out at sea. In technical terms, offshore wind currently costs about £149 per megawatt hour (MWh) of electricity it produces. This compares, for example, to about £90 per MWh to generate electricity from onshore wind

The government aims to reduce the costs of offshore wind to £100 per MWh by 2020. In a study undertaken for government with the renewable industry, the Crown Estate concluded that that this is possible, and published four pathways showing how it can be done last year. 

Other energy experts think costs will fall, but seem more sceptical about the government's prediction for how fast that will happen. 

Guy Doyle, chief energy economist from Mott McDonald, told us that the government's target of a cost reduction to £100/MWh by 2020 is "a big ask" which assumes that very little goes wrong in the meantime. 

Doyle says the costs of offshore wind will go down as more efficient turbines are developed and economies of scale start make developing wind farms easier. But the more turbines are built, the further out to sea they will be - so building them in deeper water will offset some of the cost reductions by making the process more difficult. Overall, he says Mott McDonald expects "significant cost reductions in the long run", but energy companies may struggle to achieve them over the next five years. 

A UK Energy Research Council (UKERC) study from 2010 also concludes the cost of offshore wind will fall. It suggests that, at a "best guess", the costs of offshore wind will fall to around £115 per MWh by the mid 2020s. This would be a significant fall, but the government still wouldn't hit its target. 

More recently, one of the UKERC report authors, Rob Gross, published an infographic showing a range of forecasts for future offshore wind costs, drawn from a number of sources - including consultancies Mott MacDonald, Parsons Brinkerhoff and Arup. The various estimates show costs falling over the next few years - but by 2020, they would still be hovering somewhere just below £130 per MWh by 2020. 

@Chris Phillips

I see, so when the nuclear industry make a claim, I should assume that they're being overly modest and will actually do better, but when the wind industry make a claim, I should assume that they're being boastful and are unlikely to achieve it.

I'm afraid history doesn't really support that position.

Regarding intermittency, wind turbines sometimes fail to generate for a few days, but we get a few days warning. Nuclear reactors can go off line for years with no warning at all. And frequently do. Why would you prefer that?

@Graham Thompson

I can. A nuclear power station will last 4 times longer than a wind farm. So for the equivalent lifetime of wind farm they will need a 60 year guarentee for a 100 year wind project. For a 100 year nuclear project(which is the lifetime predicted for new builds) they are asking for a 40 year guarentee. 

Also wind power could not replace nuclear in any practical sense. The number of wind turbines needed to replace a single power station is far too large. Also the grid technology is nowhere near able to take the fluctuations associated with wind power on that scale.

@ Graeme Thompson

You really do need to do FAR more research if you are going to write articles for public consumption. If you don't even know the implication of comparing nuclear power (a guaranteed supply) against wind (an intermittent supply) then there is little hope of a sensible discourse.

Perhaps you may be quite happy for the lights to go out every time the wind stops blowing, but somehow I suspect not.

@ John B

I agree with you. The greenpeace mandate on renewables is totally unrealistic. They fail to take into account to what is possible from an engineering viewpoint. While the idea of all renewables is very appealing it is not practial and as I have always said:

You can have the best idea in the world but if its not practical it won't come to fruition.

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