Climate kraken wakes

Posted by Graham Thompson - 26 March 2013 at 5:10pm - Comments

One of the arguments currently popular with climate change contrarians and science deniers is that climate change has paused, or, in less moderate language, global warming stopped in 1997. Either phrasing is wrong, but there’s wrong, and then there’s climate denier wrong, and we didn’t realise quite how spectacularly wrong this was until this week.

Firstly, be wary of statements made about the climate using short data-sets. Thirty years is accepted in the field as the standard period over which a climatic change can be observed. Changes over shorter periods may be confirmed as climatic change as more data comes in, but trying to work out what’s going on from a data set covering less than thirty years means you might be mistaking weather for climate. Often, the signal is strong enough for confident assertions to be made about periods of twenty to twenty five years, but not, as a rule, for periods shorter than that.

Secondly, watch out for cherry-picking. All the climate deniers who want to claim that climate change has stopped take 1997, and sometimes the autumn of that year, as the starting point for their data set. Why would you choose autumn 1997, instead of, say, January 2000 (too recent, but a nice round number), or 1950 (the climate scientist’s usual proxy date for ‘the present’), or 1983 (thirty years ago – giving the most recent data set which might be regarded as a reliable guide to what was happening to the climate now)?

Because starting your data set at any of those times gives a strong warming trend.

But 1997 was an outlier - that is, due largely to a strong El Nino effect 1997 was an abnormally warm year. If you want to know what the climate is doing, 1997 is a bit of very loud noise which makes the underlying signal harder to trace. But if you want to manipulate the data to show a pause in warming, then 1997 is the holy grail of data points. You can start your dataset there, at a freak temperature high, and present that freak result as a baseline to measure subsequent years against. Unsurprisingly, most of the years immediately following your outlier will be closer to the mean – that’s what ‘outlier’ means. Starting a data set with an outlier will generally lead to confusing results, particularly when your data set is too small anyway.

Thirdly, even using the deniers’ favoured time period, and their favoured measurement, surface temperature, the world has still warmed since 1997. Both 2005 and 2010 were warmer than 1997, and the outlier high temperatures of 1997 are now the average. However, this warming isn’t ‘statistically significant’ (a technical term which means ‘statisticians are 95% confident that the trend revealed in the data is a real trend and not just random noise’) due mainly to the short data set which prevents confident statements being made about it. So if you want to be rigorous about it then the data set for that period proves nothing. But if you’re happy using statistically inadequate data sets, as the deniers seem to be, well, their data set shows warming.

However, it doesn’t show very much warming, and this is the interesting question hidden in the deniers’ bluster. Is there a reason why the rate of warming in the last fifteen years appears to be slower than the rate of warming prior to that?

Well, there’s a two-stage answer to that question.

If you take thirty-year periods, rather than fifteen year periods, there is no change in the surface temperature warming trend, so the slow-down is just a statistical artefact created by cherry-picking your starting year. However, even a continuation of the unprecedented rate of warming in the eighties and nineties doesn’t quite match with the forecasts – according to the science, we should be seeing accelerating warming.

And now, unfortunately, we are. New research shows that the Earth is actually heating up at an accelerating rate, but the heat is not being equally distributed. For the last decade, weather and wind conditions primarily caused by the Decadal Pacific Oscillation (that’s El Nino/La Nina again) have entailed more of the extra heat ending up in the deep ocean. The oceans absorb 90% of the extra heat in our warming world, and so surface temperatures, the obvious measure to a surface-dwelling species like us, aren’t the anywhere near the whole story. As it turns out, 30% of the additional heat is 700m deep below the waves. That sounds like good news – surely we’re better off storing the heat out of the way in the depths rather than confronting it where we live? But it isn’t. Thermal expansion is the main force driving sea-level rise, so more heat in the oceans means a faster rise and more flooding. Warmer oceans also threaten faster sea-ice melt, stronger hurricanes and disrupted oceanic currents. And that’s if the heat stays where it’s put, which, of course, it won’t – there is constant transfer of heat between atmosphere and ocean, on a mammoth scale, in fact that’s what El Nino/La Nina is.

The Earth isn’t cooling, global warming has neither stopped nor slowed down, and whilst claiming otherwise might sound more reasonable than the traditional denier conspiracy theories, it’s just as wrong, and often it’s the same people making those claims.

Nor has warming continued at the same rate as in the last century. The world is warming faster than at any time in the last 10,000 years, and that rate of warming is accelerating.

So, is it time to panic yet? If we take responsibility for our world and our children’s futures, do what we can to reduce our personal carbon emissions, send a signal to the markets that we’re ready for the low carbon economy, and, more importantly, send a much more explicit message to our politicians that we want leaders with solutions, not roadblocks to progress, then we can still pull the iron out of the fire and save most of what makes this planet so uniquely spectacular. Not to mention inhabitable.

But if we’re passively waiting for the government to sort it out, then yes, we’re doomed.

Excellent, this should stop the stupid deniers in their tracks.  I'm getting so fed up of them and their blatant lies about a warming standstill.  Hopefully someone is keeping a note of all the deniers engaged in climate crimes so that we can try them when the time comes.

What the hell is a "science denier" and a "climate denier". Pleeease grow up. If you want to convince people you have a valid point you have no hope of doing so if you use vacuous insulting terms connected to the holocost.

 

  • Date: 21/02/13
  •  
  • Graham Lloyd, The Australian

The UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office, but said it would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.

Let's hang on before doing anything precipitate.  For the moment, suspend the Climate Change Act - in the current economic climate we can't afford the cost of subsidising renewables.  Far better to get on with fracking - exploiting shale gas reduces CO2..


I just had a suspicion that something was not quite right about this article from the derogatory way it was written, so I decided to follow the link to the original research paper. My suspicions were further raised by the presence of Kevin Trenberths name on the author list.

My suspicions were immediately justified. It can be clearly seen that the results of this paper have already been debunked and the "warming trend" comes from nothing more than the output from a computer model splicing together two sets of incompatible data from different time periods. This is even more obvious than Mann's famous hockey stick trick.

Please Greenpeace don't waste your time on this, get back to the real conservation work for which the organisation became famous for in the first place and which is still a valid concern. By becoming involved with these sharlatans you are destroying what was a respected conservation brand.

Only 3% of the heat from global warming goes into the atmosphere. 90% goes into the oceans.

 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/new-research-confirms-global-warming-has-accelerated.html

New Research Confirms Global Warming Has Accelerated

Completely contrary to the
popular contrarian myth
, global warming has accelerated, with more overall
global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because
about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans
have been warming dramatically.

Truth. The ten hottest years on record have occurred in the last 15 years. http://clmtr.lt/cb/qrP0XD

@Tazer um if you've found some magic paper on the internet that debunks all of the above - how about a link, or reference. The orginal article has plenty, but then I suspect the 'debunk' is in one of the scary corners of the interenet where only US republicans live. So how about a link and reference to a credited scientific body, not some wierd scientist funded by Exxon Mobile?

Good to see all the usual trolls out spouting their nonsense.  It's completely obvious that climate change is accelerating and is much worse than anyone ever predicted.  I'm flabbergasted that people would choose to ignore the evidence in front of their eyes.  Just how bad to things have to get for people to take notice?

I cannot find reference to any actual or suggestive evidence of any Anthropogenic Global Warming whatsoever.  Have Greenpeace, during their research, studied work by Dr Richard Lindzen, Monckton, Scafetta & West, or Professor Nils-Axel Moerner ?  If not I highly recommend they do, as they will note their exhaustive analysis and conclusions that the CO2 in the atmosphere is only a fraction higher today than it was in 1700 according to the IPCC’s own data. (1700 = .028% CO2, 2009 = .039%).  The vast majority of global warming identified between 1975 and 1998 was caused by the sun (Scafetta & West) and, says Monckton, “data from the IPCC shows little correlation between CO2 and temperature “.  Greenpeace would be better studying solar activity, which has an 11 year cycle of sunspot heat bursts, and burst temperatures have continually increased over the past 300 years (HadAT, 2006). 

@Green Dream - Michael White is, of course, correct.

 

See observations of of Lindzen below.

Thursday, 26 July 2012 08:31 Phys.org

 Massachusetts Institute of
Technology professor Richard Lindzen, a global warming skeptic, told about 70
Sandia researchers in June that too much is being made of climate change by
researchers seeking government funding. He said their data and their methods
did not support their claims. “Despite
concerns over the last decades with the greenhouse process, they oversimplify
the effect,” he said.

“Simply cranking up CO2 (as the culprit) is not the answer” to what causes climate change.

Lindzen is Alfred P.
Sloan professor of meteorology in MIT’s department of earth, atmospheric and
planetary sciences. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and is the
lead author of Chapter 7 (“Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks”) of the
International Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Third Assessment Report. He is a
member of the National Academy of Sciences and a fellow of the American
Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society.

For 30 years, climate scientists
have been “locked into a simple-minded identification of climate with
greenhouse-gas level. … That climate should be the function of a single
parameter (like CO2) has always seemed implausible. Yet an obsessive focus on
such an obvious oversimplification has likely set back progress by decades,”
Lindzen said. For major climates of the past, other factors were more important
than carbon dioxide.

Orbital variations have been shown to
quantitatively account for the cycles of glaciations of the past 700,000 years,
he said, and the elimination of the arctic inversion, when the polar caps were
ice-free, “is likely to have been more important than CO2 for the warm episode
during the Eocene 50 million years ago.” There is little evidence that changes
in climate are producing extreme weather events, he said.

@ Brian Simpson

Follow the links in the article to the paywalled paper. You will have to pay your money to see the paper, but if you want my opinion it's not worth the effort, let alone the money. Anyone can splice two data sets together to come up with a dodgy model result, but it obviously proves nothing - except of course that you know how to splice two incompatible data sets together.

@Tazer

A science denier is someone who is in denial about the scientific consensus. The term is used to differentiate someone who studies all the evidence critically (a skeptic) and someone who ignores all the evdence they don't like (a denier).

@tamburlaine

No, fracking for shale gas doesn't reduce emissions. The current debate is whether it's slightly worse or slightly better than coal - so either the dirtiest fuel known to man of the second dirtiest.

@Tazer

By 'these sharlatans' (sic) do you mean scientists? I don't think ignoring scientists would do much for our credibility.

@Michael White

I think you need to start out by looking at some definitions of 'science'. The conspiracy theories of Monckton, a man who has no scientitfic qualifications at all, and has never published a scientific paper, wouldn't generally count. Regarding CO2 in the atmosphere, the 'fraction' it has increased by is 41%, from 280ppm to 395ppm. It makes up a small part of the atmosphere, but, as climate deniers never cease to remind us, it is necessary for plant life, and therefore all life, being able to exist on Earth, so I think we can agree that it has a huge impact on the planet. Regarding solar forcing - it was on a cooling trend for the last few decades of the twentieth century, which is why we know it isn't the cause of recent warming.

@tamburlaine

Well done, Lindzen is indeed the most plausible of the prominent deniers. But then, when your competition is Monckton and Morner the dowser, that's not really saying much. Believers in the scientific consensus, such as myself, love arguments from authority, such as yours, as the number and calibre of 'warmist' experts is so much greater than on the denier side. I mean, really, really spectacularly greater. Here's a dramatic illustration of that -

http://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/15/why-climate-deniers-have-no-credibi...

Furthermore, I assume you know that all of the august institutions and scientific bodies of which Lindzen is a member (the National Academy of Sciences, the American Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society) all think Lindzen is wrong -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Statem...

@Green Dream, renewable guy, gtb & Brian Simpson

Thanks for your comments - you guys save me a lot of time, and I do appreciate it.

  • Date: 28/03/13
  •  
  • Benedict Brogan, The Daily Telegraph

The appointment of Michael Fallon to the energy brief will delight everyone. He shares the climate change scepticism of his predecessor [John Hayes], but will keep his focus on how to keep costs down for consumers, and how to secure long-term cheap energy.

It looks as if commonsense is taking over from LibDem nonsense.

I think we can assume that exploitation of shale gas reserves will proceed apace.

 


Delve
deep enough into the Government’s forecasts, and they speculate that global
warming will lead to 6,000 fewer deaths a year, on average, by the end of the
decade. This is the supposed threat facing us: children would be less likely to
have snow to play in at Christmas, but more likely to have grandparents to
visit over Easter. Not a bad trade-off. The greatest uncertainty is whether
global warming, which has stalled since 1998, will arrive quickly enough to
make a difference.

 

Global warming is a great benefit - hopefully it will resume.  Nothing should be done to prevent its resumption.

@tamburlaine

It's great that you're so enthusiastic about discussing these issues, but I don't think I could argue against you as effectively as you do, so I'll leave you to it.

I'm afraid whichever way you look at it this article has been a PR failure. If you are going to make wild unsubstantiated claims using research that has already been debunked as a statistical artifact of poorly selected data, tortured to the point of death any reasonable person will have no difficulty seeing through it.

Greenpeace should concentrate on conservation isses where there are valid causes of concern to be addressed.

I was struck by a blog http://arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/abrupt-climate-change-and-your... it raises important points, as we need to mobilise the masses here if we are to persuade governments and individuals to act.

  This is a complex issue, once we have assertained that climate change is real we are faced with the dilemma of what to do. One of the proposed answers is geoengineering which covers a whole range of ideas, some of which are not very palatable to many environmentalists, however they may be far preferable to rapid warming, rising sea levels, agricultural collapse and all the consequences from these. Another answer would be that we all cut our consumption dramatically. 

My point is we need a unified approach and if we can't agree on the problem how are we going to agree on a solution.  I want a solution and don't want to appear negative or defeatist. This problem of mobilisation is as big a problem as the problem itself              `

 

@stenrock - perhaps you'd like to show 'the masses' how their energy bills are increasing to pay for renewables-related subsidies.

That should mobilise them.  If it doesn't work, you can give them an estimate of how many deaths could be prevented if winters were allowed to become warmer.  That should do it.

 

It's fascinating to see the fake sceptics posting here. - One cites a Murcdoch owned newspaper as science. - Another believes that 30 years of actual measurements is an artifact of modeling.- Yet another implies that only via fossil fuel can we keep prices down - ignoring that we don't price polluting into the price - a clear subsidy.- Another cites Lindzen - ignoring that his institution, MIT, is a leader in dealing with climate science.

Anthropogenic climate change (ACC)/anthropogenic
global warming (AGW) is not a hypothesis. It is a robust theory, referred to as
"settled fact" by scientists.



Per the National Academies of Science, in their 2010 publication Advancing The
Science Of Climate Change (pp 44-45):

"Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined
and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that
their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small.



Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts.



This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that
much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12782



And note that the above National Academies paper is available for free download
after a free registration. No purchase necessary. And the quote is from pages
44 & 45.



Subsequent to this, Huber and Knutti (2011) quantified that human attribution
as being 74% and 122% due to humans (with a best estimate of around 100% human
attribution). In other words, natural variability is not responsible for the
observed warming trend.

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n1/abs/ngeo1327.html



Since then, Gillett et al (2012) also examined the human attribution of the
warming trend observed. They found that humans are responsible for 102% of
observed warming from 1851 to 2010 and 113% of the observed warming from 1951
to 2000 and 1961 to 2010 (averaged together).

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2012/2011GL050226.shtml


Well well, the graph showing the unprecedented warming has been removed. That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the authors of the paper (Marcott et al) have now admitted that the 'warming' was nothing more than a result of dodgy statistics after all.

How does it feel to be conned Mr Thompson? Perhaps next time you should look closer when something doesn't pass the smell test.

Please Greenpeace, this used to be an honourable organisation with noble values which I supported through regular contributions. Now it semms to have become a captive to some of the most rabid global warming activists. Please don't let these people sully your organisation further by allowing them to post silly global warming activist articles that even a blind man could see did not hold water.

@Tazer

No graphs have been removed from the blog post above, or the pages it links to.

I think you may have posted your comment on the wrong page.

But thanks for contributing.

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