No easy ride for EDF's plans for new nuclear

Posted by Richardg - 25 January 2012 at 1:34pm - Comments
Greenpeace protesters at  EDF Evolutionary Power Reactor in France
All rights reserved. Credit: Pierre Gleizes/Greenpeace
Greenpeace protesters at EDF Evolutionary Power Reactor in France

Despite the growing shift of support away from nuclear energy in Europe, EDF is stubbornly pushing forward plans to build a new nuclear reactor in the UK, without sufficient consideration for all the relevant risks.

It’s less than a year since the disaster at Fukushima reminded the world just how risky and expensive nuclear power can be. Since Fukushima, Germany has ditched their nuclear programmes and turned to clean, efficient energy.  Across Europe investors are refusing to put their money into nuclear without governments guaranteeing their profits. Yet the French state-owned company EDF Energy is trying to build a new nuclear reactor at Hinkley Point in Somerset.

EDF applied for planning permission in late October, less than three weeks after Britain’s nuclear watchdog – the Office of Nuclear Regulation - published a long list of improvements needed to protect Britain’s nuclear reactors. Given the scale of the recommendatons in the list, it is not possible for EDF to have incorporated all those improvements into its proposals in just three weeks. Lessons are still being learned following Fukushima (such as ‘don’t delete the minutes of the disaster response meetings’). EDF's rush to apply for planning permission betrays their cavalier attitude and suggests they can't have fully considered the implications of the Fukushima disaster.

We are seriously concerned that the flood defences, the emergency response plans and other vital safety features (such as a secure supply of off-site electricity during an emergency) aren’t fit for purpose. There’s a distinctly slap-dash feel to the application: as though EDF were more concerned with keeping the wheels on their nuclear gravy train than with making sure their plans stood up to scrutiny.

We’re not the only ones with concerns about the proposals. EDF’s planning application is also facing fierce opposition from local campaign groups, nuclear experts and Members of Parliament. Local councils have made their own representations, pointing out problems with traffic levels, waste storage and the impact on tourism.

With 1,200 people registering to comment on their ill-thought out proposals, EDF shouldn’t expect an easy ride. We’ll keep you posted.

We just can not allow for this to go ahead especially after fukushima! Dr Helen caldecott has outlined the dangers in her report and we are all suffering the radiation from Japan so we should not be complacent about this!

"Dr Helen caldecott has outlined the dangers"

No Karenclaus. Dr Helen Caldecott is a fraud. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world?intcmp=239.

The UK's public support for Nuclear is at a ten year high: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/jan/18/nuclear-power-public-support-opinion-fukushima 

Nuclear has the best safety record of any power generation source, except wind. We need new nuclear to fight climate change. The idiots at Greenpeace will be to blame when global temperatures rise - because they blocked new nuclear.



in France the ASN (Autorite de Surete Nucleaire) published an audit
early jan 2012 stating several Euros TENS OF BILLIONS were needed to
raise the safety of the 58 EDF reactors in France as can be read here:
http://citizeneu.wordpress.com/category/green-transition/

How
many £ billions would be needed in the UK ? This money would be better
invested in industrialising the tidal and wind power productions; B.
Obama confirmed he is doing it in his address to the Union on the 24th
of Jan, so there's no reason for M. Cameron and the UK not to follow the path !

Here in northern Scotland massive windfarms are being imposed on us despite local opposition from commuities and local authorities. The one I particularly object to in my locality is being built on top of untouched wilderness on the stalking estate of an absentee millionaire who lives in London, who will reap the profits generated largely from the massive subsidies paid for by all of us in our electricity bills. Access roads will be bulldozed through the hills and massive amounts of concrete poured into the ground to create the foundations for each of the 50+ towers. This together with the peat removed  will generate a massive amount of carbon. There will also be the need for massive upgrade of the national grid to get the electricity out from these remote locations Last winter when the cold high pressure weather prevailed  there was not enough wind to turn the turbines on many  wind turbines and they had to draw power from the grid to keep them in motion to prevent freezing of the bearings. Seeing this go on has changed my mind about nuclear energy. In some ways I hate to say it but I think we should encourage new power plants to be built on the existing sites that have already been despoiled until a better and realistic  strategy for reducing our dependency on fossil fuels and cutting CO2 is  evident. Ideally I'd like us all living and working in eco-villages free from nuclear power plants and massive windfarms and leading simpler more materially frugal but culturally richer and happier lives. But this is an unusual and long term view and realistically we need to deal with the immediate problem of energy shortage and global warming. I suggest we need to invest in  insulation  of existing buildings ( not easy at all, I'm trying to do it on my own home  ) and more nuclear power, as well as looking to develop tidal and wave power which is proving very technically challenging. As for ecovillages....we need to evolve our existing communities in this direction ...and make it an attractive vision for the majority..

 

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@jimshall tell that to the people living near Dounreay, where the beaches are so radioactive dogs are not allowed off the lead, in case they dig up more of it, where there are 300,000 tonnes of radioactive materials on site, most of which will remain there indefinetly, where the seabed is radioactive from various leaks, and can never be realistically decontaimated.

Now wind farms may not be pretty, and opinions vary, but as a source of energy they work, and if and when we develop alteratives (like wave, or north african solar) then we can take them down again, without wondering what Fido is going to find on the beach today or in a 1000 years time?

John

P.S If you like new nuclear that much, how about they build one in your back yard, or at the very least you take some of the radioactive waste and store it in the shed at the bottom of the gardn.

http://nuclearmatters.co.uk/2011/09/dounreay-radioactive-waste-plan/

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/3244-dounreay-radioac...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-15222259

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/21/scottish-nuclear-leak-...

How exactly do Greenpeace propose that wind, wave and solar energy will create enough power to supply 70 million people with appropiate power in this country? Its not realistic at all. Nuclear power is the second most safe energy source after wind power and is sustainable and releases low if not any carbon emisions. Energy cant just revolve on what is better for the "enviroment". People should not just forget that the oil and gas industry creates a massive amount of jobs which require an amazing amount of skill and what do you do when those people dont have a job? For me Nuclear power in a safe manor is the way foward. At Greenpeace people may not think that governments are moving fast enough on this so called "climate change" problem but do they really have a choice? More jobs are slowly being created in the enviromental friendly energy business and one day may replace oil and gas (It has to) but untill governments stop being bullied by coporate buisnesses and its safe for the economy nothing will happen.  There is a much bigger picture to everything than just the enviroment. Unfortunitly the econmy will always come first as the rich have to become richer before the poor get jobs, its they way it has always been and it will be like that for the forseeable future.

No one technology is going to create enough power. Nuclear power is going to get more dangerous as severe climate events increase - and they are going to increase. We should be utilising the deserts for solar generation, but of course, human-kind is unco-operative, even in the face of massive disaster. Having lived close to a wind farm, I think it is far less of a threat than many people expect; I don't even find them unsightly. Some farms have had single wind generators for years already. - it is a pity that they have to be massed together in one place; one on a farm is hardly noticeable, but twenty or thirty all in one place can hardly be missed.  Remember all the lovely windpumps in the Fens and Broads? Yesterday's power supply, today's much-loved and preserved history!   Ultimately the answer lies in population decrease. There are simply too many of us for our planet to sustain us all. Nature will probably deal with that, too. 

DaitheSci do you believe everything in the media? In fact most nuclear disasters ARE under-reported for a reason? Do you ever wonder why that might be? If we knew everything to know about the horrors of nuclear disasters, too many people would actively oppose nuclear energy so opinion remains divided while the promoters use your argument in this. If you are so pro- nuclear energy go move to fukushima for a year then report back how safe it is!

Karen. So far the nuclear related deathtole
from Fukushima is one ( a farmer who committed suicide) whereas the deathtole
from the tsunami is around 20,000. Fukushima is only a tragedy in the context
of current radiation policy which is based on the now defunct ‘linear no-threshold
model’. In contrast, the science now strongly supports the ‘radiation hormesis’
model. If policy converged with the science (which it should do) then most
areas now out of bounds around Fukushima would become habitable. In terms of the hidden horrors of
electricity generating industries the biggest incident by far was the
hydroelectricity dam burst in China that killed 171,000 people. This was not
reported until many years later but makes all other incidents trivial in comparison.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam
for more details of this.

Hi there! We just can not allow for this to go ahead especially after fukushima!
Dr. Helen caldecott has outlined the dangers in her report and we are all
suffering the radiation from Japan so we should not be complacent about
this! Best regards, Marc Silber (http://www.silber.cc)

Mark. Could you remind me which parts of the UK are prone to simultaneous earthquakes and tsunamis. As you say, we are indeed able to detect the radiation from Fukushima in the UK thanks to the skills of our nuclear physicists who have perfected highly sensitive detection equipment. These detection limits are orders of magnitude lower than typical background levels. An excellent summary the the scale of different radiation sources is given at http://xkcd.com/radiation/ .

I see that Mr. Daithesci has amassed a group of supporters. 

Anyway, nuclear power is not safe anywhere near a major fault line. I don't think England is on one, but still... 

It's not safe on any coastline, either. 

And don't forget the nuclear waste...

Of course, it is probably safe in a desert or inland, and hopefully scientists won't be playing around with their Large Hadron Collider and help make nuclear fusion safer.

@jimshall

That is definitely not the way that someone should build a wind farm. Shame on those greedy investors. 

No, really.

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