Brown proposes paltry Trident cut

Posted by louise - 23 September 2009 at 4:17pm - Comments

With great fanfare and just ahead of the Labour party conference Gordon Brown has launched his contribution to nuclear disarmament on the world – reducing the number of Trident replacement submarines from four to three.

Will champagne corks be popping in the living rooms of peace campaigners across the land tonight? Well, while it may seem churlish to criticise any positive noises being made about nuclear disarmament, the answer is a resounding no. When you look behind the spin at exactly what has been announced it's clear there's little to celebrate.

First up, we are still getting 'like for like replacement'. So rather than scrapping the Cold War relic that is Trident, or even downgrading the system to a cheaper version, the UK is set to stick with replacing Trident (often referred to as a 'Rolls Royce' of a system) with more of the same.

"Labour is still refusing to include Trident in their promised defence review. Apparently decisions on Trident will be made by a 'national security cabinet committee', looking purely at nuclear weapons in isolation from the bigger security picture"

Then there's clearly no change in our nuclear posture. The reduction in the number of submarines is only being made on the basis that new submarines will need less maintenance and refits, so three can do the job previously done by four. So despite vastly changed circumstances in the world, the government is effectively saying that it still believes we MUST have a submarine permanently at sea carrying live nuclear warheads ready to fire.

On top of that there are no substantial cost savings. Greenpeace put out a report last week detailing the cost of building and running a replacement for Trident. We found that it will cost £97bn to build and run a successor system and take up 8.5% of the defence budget year on year. What difference will this loss of one submarine make? The industry say there will be some savings, maybe £5bn, but set against almost £100bn expenditure this is clearly a missed opportunity. A missed opportunity to boost the multilateral disarmament process. And a missed opportunity to free up funds to invest in a green new deal to help avert climate catastrophe.

Another major problem with this announcement is that it makes clear that Labour is still refusing to include Trident in their promised defence review. Apparently decisions on Trident will be made by a 'national security cabinet committee', looking purely at nuclear weapons in isolation from the bigger security picture.

So decisions about Trident's value to our security and whether it is really worth its hefty price tag won't be made in the context of a full review of the real security threats likely to face the UK in coming decades. And they won't be made in the context of a huge hole existing in our national defence budget.

Placed in this context and in the light of the bold moves being made by the President Obama – who's told his security advisors to think of cutting warheads to hundreds rather than thousands - like for like replacement of Trident is a clear failure of nerve.

Economists can see this, the public can see this, and more and more ex military people are coming forward to say it. The fact is that the tide is on the turn for nuclear disarmament and what we need from our politicians is more imaginative leadership, not business as usual dressed up as radical change. If Brown is just testing the waters, then this announcement could be a cause for optimism, but we'll be keeping the champagne on ice until he shows some real ambition.

At present a trident submarine carries 16 missiles, each with 3 independently guided warheads.

Even if the deterrent argument stood up, so many missiles and warheads is hard to justify. A campaign for reduction in the number of missiles could be a more engaging argument on a path towards full disarmament.

Trevor J Lee

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We have in total 160 warheads. Russia and the USA have around 2700 each. But France, who is economically around as powerful as us, has 450. I sense a minor imbalance here.

Also, 16x3=48 warheads per submarine isn't actually that much. They are only around 100 kilotons each, about the minimum needed for an effective deterrent. Taking even one submarine out of service would destroy the effectiveness of a deterrent by preventing it from operating continually. We need an ultimate response more than ever in these 'interesting' times.

And here we are......

on the rooftop....

....the last........remaining rooftop.

What a sight....what a beautiful sight.

They're down there.......the people......they're down there...

....down there killing each other....always....

killing each other.

The bombs are going off.....always going off....the bombs in the background....

....the bombs in my dreams....

......the bombs on the horizon.

Such a clever invention....THE BOMB.....no...I can't...not today.

Today....I'm just going to chill........relax....

....no swearing......not today.....

Pretty on the eye though....a beautiful multi-coloured explosion lighting up the grey sky..

.......lighting up the eye of the Muslim.....the eye of the white man....

....lighting up their soul....just lighting it up.

Lighting up the hate...colouring the hate.......the pointless......hate....

.......illuminating their......I don't know?

.......And I don't care.....because I have just....I have just climbed....

......I have just climbed up two hundred storeys......two hundred storeys......and what is she doing?

Moaning?!

.....Because.....two hundred storeys man....and what did she carry?

Her bloody handbag!.....I mean....I'm carrying the bloody food.....her bottle of wine....

....there's a blanket in here somewhere....stereo....portable power generator....admittedly....that was my idea....you got to have music.....it's just...the thing to do.

I mean....her handbag?!.....no wonder she's not out of breathe.....sorry.....she was....carrying the shotgun...I forgot about that.....times are dangerous now....

....especially when you're going on a picnic.....to the last remaining rooftop....

....that's obvious....people are going crazy down there.....it's just a crazy situation....

....but...

......she looks so sexy....carrying that shotgun...

......beautiful man.......beautiful....insdie and out.

.....Better shot than me as well....sexy bitch....oh yeah....I forgot.....she carried my two litre bottle of cherryade for me....but she's still moaning about....

....who cares man...who cares...I'm at the top.....we're both at the top......and....the colour.....the multi-coloured explosion of that last one.....on the horizon...

....Well that.....

.....that was almost......almost.........

......almost as beautiful as she is.

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........

..............I hope they like this......

.....not think I'm a cocky twat.

...........

..................Writing for the bbc.....just about.....

....don't really mean nothing to me.

They don't like what I have to say.......not yet.

........

...........I wanna say that bit I wrote on animal cruelty....

.........it's sick.....but.....it's art at the end of the day.

......

........But I eat meat.....I'm gonna......

.....I gonna try......soon.....

.......

....but.......

.......................steak.......lovely steak.

..........

..........And that's the way it is........

....but then........

.......

.............I don't hurt.......oh I don't know......

.......

..............Just gave them £25.....that's my booze date money with that beautiful Australian girl I met the other week....

........

.............Nah....BEEP it......who cares......

......
..........Can I swear? Surely...freedom.....freedom of speech....

....nah I better BEEP it.

.............

................That's alright.......this is alright.......

..........

...but I think......I know I could do more.......

........

...........I think in my heart I know I could do more.....

.......

.................well I could say more......cos I want to.

.........

..............And money means nothing to me.....it did....

.....I hate to admit that........

........

................but I now know......I need to.....try......

.....like these guys.......

........

................and that.....I do not suck up.......

.......that is not my style.....

.......but these guys try.......and being creative.....

.........

..............it's the only real thing I am good at.

........

..........I think I can make friends......I mean.....

.....get a grip man.....you just moved to London.....

.....paid up rent til Christmas.....

..........

...................you're not a loner......

.......

.............dread heads......I mean.......my locks of glory are okay.....

....but could I dread it?

.......Nah....

........even though my name is Tyrone......

........

.............well......Ty......but I couldn't do that.

.......

..........Is that racist?

.......

....Don't write that man..........but no.....

.......

.........I'm not racist at all......I thank my mother for that.

.......

..And that's the thing.....just.....

........

............we just all need to get along.......as long as we're good people.....

....and try.......

......just.......BEEP IT......be honest about the world......

......

................and try.......I need to try......

.......

.............I need to be honest......it's the only way.

Thought we might have had a chance to rid ourselves of nuclear weapons altogether. What memories of Greenham Common I have. And all those CND rallies. Hope it wasn't all for nothing.
Pilar

At present a trident submarine carries 16 missiles, each with 3 independently guided warheads. Even if the deterrent argument stood up, so many missiles and warheads is hard to justify. A campaign for reduction in the number of missiles could be a more engaging argument on a path towards full disarmament.

Trevor J Lee The first of the two have been linked to chemical fertalizer and pesticide used to give a high profit, high yield on our fruit and veg, yet nothing has been done to stop the use of these poisons. Is it possible that they could also be contributary in the huge rise in Diabetes?

We have in total 160 warheads. Russia and the USA have around 2700 each. But France, who is economically around as powerful as us, has 450. I sense a minor imbalance here. Also, 16x3=48 warheads per submarine isn't actually that much. They are only around 100 kilotons each, about the minimum needed for an effective deterrent. Taking even one submarine out of service would destroy the effectiveness of a deterrent by preventing it from operating continually. We need an ultimate response more than ever in these 'interesting' times.

And here we are...... on the rooftop.... ....the last........remaining rooftop. What a sight....what a beautiful sight. They're down there.......the people......they're down there... ....down there killing each other....always.... killing each other. The bombs are going off.....always going off....the bombs in the background.... ....the bombs in my dreams.... ......the bombs on the horizon. Such a clever invention....THE BOMB.....no...I can't...not today. Today....I'm just going to chill........relax.... ....no swearing......not today..... Pretty on the eye though....a beautiful multi-coloured explosion lighting up the grey sky.. .......lighting up the eye of the Muslim.....the eye of the white man.... ....lighting up their soul....just lighting it up. Lighting up the hate...colouring the hate.......the pointless......hate.... .......illuminating their......I don't know? .......And I don't care.....because I have just....I have just climbed.... ......I have just climbed up two hundred storeys......two hundred storeys......and what is she doing? Moaning?! .....Because.....two hundred storeys man....and what did she carry? Her bloody handbag!.....I mean....I'm carrying the bloody food.....her bottle of wine.... ....there's a blanket in here somewhere....stereo....portable power generator....admittedly....that was my idea....you got to have music.....it's just...the thing to do. I mean....her handbag?!.....no wonder she's not out of breathe.....sorry.....she was....carrying the shotgun...I forgot about that.....times are dangerous now.... ....especially when you're going on a picnic.....to the last remaining rooftop.... ....that's obvious....people are going crazy down there.....it's just a crazy situation.... ....but... ......she looks so sexy....carrying that shotgun... ......beautiful man.......beautiful....insdie and out. .....Better shot than me as well....sexy bitch....oh yeah....I forgot.....she carried my two litre bottle of cherryade for me....but she's still moaning about.... ....who cares man...who cares...I'm at the top.....we're both at the top......and....the colour.....the multi-coloured explosion of that last one.....on the horizon... ....Well that..... .....that was almost......almost......... ......almost as beautiful as she is. _________________________________ ___________________________________________ ........ ..............I hope they like this...... .....not think I'm a cocky twat. ........... ..................Writing for the bbc.....just about..... ....don't really mean nothing to me. They don't like what I have to say.......not yet. ........ ...........I wanna say that bit I wrote on animal cruelty.... .........it's sick.....but.....it's art at the end of the day. ...... ........But I eat meat.....I'm gonna...... .....I gonna try......soon..... ....... ....but....... .......................steak.......lovely steak. .......... ..........And that's the way it is........ ....but then........ ....... .............I don't hurt.......oh I don't know...... ....... ..............Just gave them £25.....that's my booze date money with that beautiful Australian girl I met the other week.... ........ .............Nah....BEEP it......who cares...... ...... ..........Can I swear? Surely...freedom.....freedom of speech.... ....nah I better BEEP it. ............. ................That's alright.......this is alright....... .......... ...but I think......I know I could do more....... ........ ...........I think in my heart I know I could do more..... ....... .................well I could say more......cos I want to. ......... ..............And money means nothing to me.....it did.... .....I hate to admit that........ ........ ................but I now know......I need to.....try...... .....like these guys....... ........ ................and that.....I do not suck up....... .......that is not my style..... .......but these guys try.......and being creative..... ......... ..............it's the only real thing I am good at. ........ ..........I think I can make friends......I mean..... .....get a grip man.....you just moved to London..... .....paid up rent til Christmas..... .......... ...................you're not a loner...... ....... .............dread heads......I mean.......my locks of glory are okay..... ....but could I dread it? .......Nah.... ........even though my name is Tyrone...... ........ .............well......Ty......but I couldn't do that. ....... ..........Is that racist? ....... ....Don't write that man..........but no..... ....... .........I'm not racist at all......I thank my mother for that. ....... ..And that's the thing.....just..... ........ ............we just all need to get along.......as long as we're good people..... ....and try....... ......just.......BEEP IT......be honest about the world...... ...... ................and try.......I need to try...... ....... .............I need to be honest......it's the only way.

Thought we might have had a chance to rid ourselves of nuclear weapons altogether. What memories of Greenham Common I have. And all those CND rallies. Hope it wasn't all for nothing. Pilar

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