Trident - who'd buy it?

Posted by louise - 28 July 2010 at 3:14pm - Comments

How The Sun saw last week's spat between Osborne and Fox © Andy Davey

Trident replacement is looking less likely today after Chancellor George Osborne told media that the Treasury weren’t willing to stump up for the project out of central funds.

Speaking in New Delhi, where he is accompanying David Cameron on his visit to India, Mr Osborne told the Bloomberg newswire: "All budgets have pressure. I don't think there's anything particularly unique about the Ministry of Defence. I have made it very clear that Trident renewal costs must be taken as part of the defence budget."

The Treasury tried to play the comments down, saying that policy hadn’t changed and this wasn’t news. But they did confirm to us that the Ministry of Defence is now expected to pay for any Trident replacement.  

So all defence secretary Liam Fox’s efforts to get Trident excluded from scrutiny by the Strategic Security and Defence Review seem to have come to nought. It may not officially be part of the review but it's hard to see how this £97bn cold war project is going to escape strong scrutiny from a military that are facing cuts to troops and kit.

As Dr Fox put it in a TV interview earlier this month, "It would be very difficult to maintain what we're currently doing in terms of capability" if the MoD was forced to meet the capital costs of building the new submarines from within its core budget.

So Dr Fox faces some difficult choices. According to The Economist the MoD faces the potential loss of:

  • whole army brigades, armoured formations and artillery units;
  • maritime surveillance aircraft, Tornado strike aircraft and Harrier jump-jets from the air force;
  • Royal Marines and amphibious landing ships from the navy.

And this was before they built in the tens of billions needed to cover the capital costs of Trident over the coming decade. If they opt to keep Trident, these already harsh cuts in conventional forces will have to be even more savage.

Today’s news follows hot on the heels of a new report by the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think-tank which challenged the MoD's policy of always having at least one trident submarine on patrol at sea - suggesting it is no longer necessary in the absence of the Cold War Soviet threat.

Author Professor Malcolm Chalmers points out that this policy has not been reviewed since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, and that the conditions which brought it into being (ie fear of a surprise Soviet attack) no longer apply. Further, he contends that stopping constant patrols will allow government to delay spending tens of billions on new submarines, and ultimately to spend less.

GOVERNMENT'S TRIDENT FIGURES DON'T ADD UP - TIME FOR GREENPEACE TO CALL ON THE UN

Greenpeace has costed Trident2 at £97bn - who believes it? Well, for starters, currently 78% of the TridentVote poll - still open at http://bit.ly/g4W48. But the press is following Defence Secretary Liam Fox's figure of £20bn - the old MoD figure used by the last Labour government and believed by just 6% in this poll.

What does it all mean? Well, I'm struggling here - after all, the Trident value for money exercise was conducted in secret and Fox explicitly rejected MPs' demands for engagement with or submissions from independent organisations. But it could mean that his study was based on, and is sticking to, £20bn total cost for the Trident2 project and that the Treasury is holding the MoD to finding this from their budget allocation rather than allocating new funding.

If this is correct and the true cost is as Greenpeace has calculated, then apparently there is a hole of £77bn. The MoD may be using some smokescreen: the budget cycle vs. the longterm costs - we won't know as government refuses to report to Parliament on the VFM study but instead are pushing it into the strategic defence review despite voting down a Queen's Speech amendment to do just that. Good luck to the government too on seeking to make the MoD stop their over-spending: they're always over-budget (the superbly named Astute nuke sub was £1bn over-budget). Little wonder that few trust them to do the shopping for anything, let alone handle the leasing of more Trident nukes.

Although perversely the Foreign Secretary claims the coalition government has a new policy of being open and transparent on nukes - whilst refusing to allow independent verification of the UK nuke warhead stockpile - surely the plausible conclusion for all this government duplicity and secrecy is that the Trident figures don't add up and they know it. For if they aren't deliberately misleading everyone then they are incredibly incompetent - either way this is not on, not least when the National Audit Office are also being stopped from giving the VFM study a fresh check-over.

It seems reasonable to suggest there is a case for investigating whether a fraud is being perpetrated on the British taxpayers - who of course have been allowed no say on Trident, either by the last government or the present one.

The lack of accountability to Parliament or the People is staggering. There seems more than enough irregularity - including a policy difference between the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary on whether the government supports multilateral nuclear disarmament - for Greenpeace to seriously consider referring the UK Government to the United Nations. I very much hope you now do just that!

This seems like another thing that the public is told is not really news, when in fact it is. Any time something like this gets cut they try to hide it. It really is a shame that this happens.
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GOVERNMENT'S TRIDENT FIGURES DON'T ADD UP - TIME FOR GREENPEACE TO CALL ON THE UN Greenpeace has costed Trident2 at £97bn - who believes it? Well, for starters, currently 78% of the TridentVote poll - still open at http://bit.ly/g4W48. But the press is following Defence Secretary Liam Fox's figure of £20bn - the old MoD figure used by the last Labour government and believed by just 6% in this poll. What does it all mean? Well, I'm struggling here - after all, the Trident value for money exercise was conducted in secret and Fox explicitly rejected MPs' demands for engagement with or submissions from independent organisations. But it could mean that his study was based on, and is sticking to, £20bn total cost for the Trident2 project and that the Treasury is holding the MoD to finding this from their budget allocation rather than allocating new funding. If this is correct and the true cost is as Greenpeace has calculated, then apparently there is a hole of £77bn. The MoD may be using some smokescreen: the budget cycle vs. the longterm costs - we won't know as government refuses to report to Parliament on the VFM study but instead are pushing it into the strategic defence review despite voting down a Queen's Speech amendment to do just that. Good luck to the government too on seeking to make the MoD stop their over-spending: they're always over-budget (the superbly named Astute nuke sub was £1bn over-budget). Little wonder that few trust them to do the shopping for anything, let alone handle the leasing of more Trident nukes. Although perversely the Foreign Secretary claims the coalition government has a new policy of being open and transparent on nukes - whilst refusing to allow independent verification of the UK nuke warhead stockpile - surely the plausible conclusion for all this government duplicity and secrecy is that the Trident figures don't add up and they know it. For if they aren't deliberately misleading everyone then they are incredibly incompetent - either way this is not on, not least when the National Audit Office are also being stopped from giving the VFM study a fresh check-over. It seems reasonable to suggest there is a case for investigating whether a fraud is being perpetrated on the British taxpayers - who of course have been allowed no say on Trident, either by the last government or the present one. The lack of accountability to Parliament or the People is staggering. There seems more than enough irregularity - including a policy difference between the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary on whether the government supports multilateral nuclear disarmament - for Greenpeace to seriously consider referring the UK Government to the United Nations. I very much hope you now do just that!

This seems like another thing that the public is told is not really news, when in fact it is. Any time something like this gets cut they try to hide it. It really is a shame that this happens.
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